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		<title>By: Imagine There&#8217;s No Penguins &#171; Linux FUD</title>
		<link>http://www.openlogic.com/blogs/2008/03/is-linux-commoditizing-the-operating-system-market/comment-page-1/#comment-100392</link>
		<dc:creator>Imagine There&#8217;s No Penguins &#171; Linux FUD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent point Mike.  What you are saying about the network being the commoditizing factor in the market jives well with Jonathan Schwartz&#039;s blog Commodities, Railroads and How Sun Monetizes Java (http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/date/20040712).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent point Mike.  What you are saying about the network being the commoditizing factor in the market jives well with Jonathan Schwartz&#8217;s blog Commodities, Railroads and How Sun Monetizes Java (<a href="http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/date/20040712)." rel="nofollow">http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/date/20040712).</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Operating systems and a lot of other software are very, very complex products made of tens of millions of lines of code. I doubt they will ever be interchangeable commodities in the sense milk or natural gas is. The interactions between different pieces of software and hardware are just that much more complicated compared to those material commodities.

Where there are more or less standardized interfaces and software truly can be interchangeable, Linux and other free systems have largely taken over. Proprietary POSIX systems have been forced either to the margin (AIX, UnixWare) or to change to a free license (Solaris). Obviously the big more-or-less standard interface driving commoditization of personal systems is the web. I&#039;m writing this using the latest beta of Firefox 3, and I&#039;d say Windows and Mac OS X don&#039;t have anything in the browser department that Linux does not have. The number of systems and users that only need a browser is growing, and where cost matters, free systems will take over these users.

The big interfaces that Microsoft owns are the Office file formats and the Exchange server. If these areas are to be &#039;commoditized&#039;, I think it&#039;ll be done by large corporate and institutional users switching to open standards, not individual home users. OpenOffice seems to have a growing list of large institutional adopters, but I&#039;m not sure it is significant compared to Microsoft&#039;s installed base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Operating systems and a lot of other software are very, very complex products made of tens of millions of lines of code. I doubt they will ever be interchangeable commodities in the sense milk or natural gas is. The interactions between different pieces of software and hardware are just that much more complicated compared to those material commodities.</p>
<p>Where there are more or less standardized interfaces and software truly can be interchangeable, Linux and other free systems have largely taken over. Proprietary POSIX systems have been forced either to the margin (AIX, UnixWare) or to change to a free license (Solaris). Obviously the big more-or-less standard interface driving commoditization of personal systems is the web. I&#8217;m writing this using the latest beta of Firefox 3, and I&#8217;d say Windows and Mac OS X don&#8217;t have anything in the browser department that Linux does not have. The number of systems and users that only need a browser is growing, and where cost matters, free systems will take over these users.</p>
<p>The big interfaces that Microsoft owns are the Office file formats and the Exchange server. If these areas are to be &#8216;commoditized&#8217;, I think it&#8217;ll be done by large corporate and institutional users switching to open standards, not individual home users. OpenOffice seems to have a growing list of large institutional adopters, but I&#8217;m not sure it is significant compared to Microsoft&#8217;s installed base.</p>
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		<title>By: fsdaily.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>fsdaily.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Viz - very thought provoking.

While the pioneering companies you mentioned certainly did make computing accessible to the masses, that&#039;s not the same as commoditizing the market.  Operating systems are widely available, but they are not &quot;interchangeable&quot; - and this is critical for commoditization.  You seem to be discounting this aspect of the definition.  Ask yourself - if Windows, OS X, and Linux were truly interchangeable, why would anyone buy OS X or Windows when they could get Linux for free?

Your last statement implies that in order for a good to be affordable, it must be a commodity.  Further, your comment in general, suggest that any good which is affordable is a commodity.  This isn&#039;t the case at all.  Gasoline, strawberries, electricity, and natural gas are all commodities.  Yes they are affordable, but this is a function of the cost to produce and deliver them to market.  Other commodities are quite expensive: silver, gold, and diamonds for instance.  In a free market, low margins are a necessary effect of commoditization, low prices are not.  

Beer, soup, breakfast cereal, and soda are also all very affordable, but they are not commodities because consumers do not see the alternatives in the market as being interchangeable.  Think back to the last time you bought a beer or a soda.  Did you buy a generic brand?  Most folks donâ€™t - even though by doing so they could save 40% or more on the purchase.  The distinguishing characteristic of a commoditized market is that the companies playing there compete primarily on price.  That doesnâ€™t mean the price is low, it just means that the margins are small.

Finally, while I disagree with you that the desktop market in general is commoditized, my gut instinct is to agree with you that UNIX-like operating systems are now commodities.  Some research there might be in order though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Viz &#8211; very thought provoking.</p>
<p>While the pioneering companies you mentioned certainly did make computing accessible to the masses, that&#8217;s not the same as commoditizing the market.  Operating systems are widely available, but they are not &#8220;interchangeable&#8221; &#8211; and this is critical for commoditization.  You seem to be discounting this aspect of the definition.  Ask yourself &#8211; if Windows, OS X, and Linux were truly interchangeable, why would anyone buy OS X or Windows when they could get Linux for free?</p>
<p>Your last statement implies that in order for a good to be affordable, it must be a commodity.  Further, your comment in general, suggest that any good which is affordable is a commodity.  This isn&#8217;t the case at all.  Gasoline, strawberries, electricity, and natural gas are all commodities.  Yes they are affordable, but this is a function of the cost to produce and deliver them to market.  Other commodities are quite expensive: silver, gold, and diamonds for instance.  In a free market, low margins are a necessary effect of commoditization, low prices are not.  </p>
<p>Beer, soup, breakfast cereal, and soda are also all very affordable, but they are not commodities because consumers do not see the alternatives in the market as being interchangeable.  Think back to the last time you bought a beer or a soda.  Did you buy a generic brand?  Most folks donâ€™t &#8211; even though by doing so they could save 40% or more on the purchase.  The distinguishing characteristic of a commoditized market is that the companies playing there compete primarily on price.  That doesnâ€™t mean the price is low, it just means that the margins are small.</p>
<p>Finally, while I disagree with you that the desktop market in general is commoditized, my gut instinct is to agree with you that UNIX-like operating systems are now commodities.  Some research there might be in order though.</p>
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		<title>By: Viz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When something is a commodity it&#039;s common, used by many people, available to everyone, and priced so that most people can get it if they really want it. Often commodities are important for every day survival.

In a sense, Heathkit, Zenith, Commodore and Tandy commoditized the operating system.

Webster says:
1: commodify; specifically : to render (a good or service) widely available and interchangeable with one provided by another company
2: to affect (as a brand or a market) by commoditizing goods or services 

The above named companies  commoditized the OS by the second definition. Linux commoditizes the OS by the first *and* second definitions.

Examples:
Bike tires
the ford model T
digital audio workstations
x86 hardware (once IBM opened the spec)

Technically, the &quot;Operating System&quot; was commoditized with the Commodore64, Tandy, Atari, Texas Instruments and Zenith computers and has remained so since the late 70&#039;s. Once these came out, anyone with $200 could have a working computer, including the operating system. While very minimal and a lot like a BIOS these still meet the definition of what an OS is.

DOS commoditized the OS on x86 hardware and really started the ball rolling.

FOSS operating systems have taken this commoditization further, not created it. Linux is available to anyone regardless of financial means, like air and you can compile and run a given piece of linux compatible software on any company&#039;s distro, which meets the first definition. That being said, Linux and BSD *did* commoditize &quot;UNIX like Operating Systems&quot;, just not &quot;Operating Systems&quot;.

Couldn&#039;t resist this because I was there. I watched computers and OS&#039;s become commoditized as it happened. Commodity does not mean free, just common, cheap, and sometimes interoperable.

By contrast z/OS running on a mainframe is not commoditized, though often large companies use mainframes to run commodity OS&#039;s as virtual machines.

If OS&#039;s were not a commodity, only the very wealthy could afford them.

-Viz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When something is a commodity it&#8217;s common, used by many people, available to everyone, and priced so that most people can get it if they really want it. Often commodities are important for every day survival.</p>
<p>In a sense, Heathkit, Zenith, Commodore and Tandy commoditized the operating system.</p>
<p>Webster says:<br />
1: commodify; specifically : to render (a good or service) widely available and interchangeable with one provided by another company<br />
2: to affect (as a brand or a market) by commoditizing goods or services </p>
<p>The above named companies  commoditized the OS by the second definition. Linux commoditizes the OS by the first *and* second definitions.</p>
<p>Examples:<br />
Bike tires<br />
the ford model T<br />
digital audio workstations<br />
x86 hardware (once IBM opened the spec)</p>
<p>Technically, the &#8220;Operating System&#8221; was commoditized with the Commodore64, Tandy, Atari, Texas Instruments and Zenith computers and has remained so since the late 70&#8217;s. Once these came out, anyone with $200 could have a working computer, including the operating system. While very minimal and a lot like a BIOS these still meet the definition of what an OS is.</p>
<p>DOS commoditized the OS on x86 hardware and really started the ball rolling.</p>
<p>FOSS operating systems have taken this commoditization further, not created it. Linux is available to anyone regardless of financial means, like air and you can compile and run a given piece of linux compatible software on any company&#8217;s distro, which meets the first definition. That being said, Linux and BSD *did* commoditize &#8220;UNIX like Operating Systems&#8221;, just not &#8220;Operating Systems&#8221;.</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t resist this because I was there. I watched computers and OS&#8217;s become commoditized as it happened. Commodity does not mean free, just common, cheap, and sometimes interoperable.</p>
<p>By contrast z/OS running on a mainframe is not commoditized, though often large companies use mainframes to run commodity OS&#8217;s as virtual machines.</p>
<p>If OS&#8217;s were not a commodity, only the very wealthy could afford them.</p>
<p>-Viz</p>
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		<title>By: Max Stirner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Stirner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;80% of which came from their OEM channel&quot;

well, quite!

thats exactly the problem. with the eeepc and the likes, consumers are for the first time having the option of purchasing a computer with a non-MS operating system, or at least not having to pay MS for an operating system (even if they choose to run a different one thereafter).

The OEM-lockin monopoly is an _absolute scandal_, but once this is over, MS will fade away deservedly!

moving from having a choice and competing against a billion-dollar marketing budget with something free and good will take some time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;80% of which came from their OEM channel&#8221;</p>
<p>well, quite!</p>
<p>thats exactly the problem. with the eeepc and the likes, consumers are for the first time having the option of purchasing a computer with a non-MS operating system, or at least not having to pay MS for an operating system (even if they choose to run a different one thereafter).</p>
<p>The OEM-lockin monopoly is an _absolute scandal_, but once this is over, MS will fade away deservedly!</p>
<p>moving from having a choice and competing against a billion-dollar marketing budget with something free and good will take some time!</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment John - very good points indeed.  I really like your pipe analogy; this is one of the issues I was alluding to when I stated that corporate users would not be moving to Linux any time soon.  

My point in quoting the revenue figures from Microsoft &amp; Apple was to illustrate that this is still a highly differentiated market.  So much so, that the primary players are making billions even while competing against a product that is being given away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment John &#8211; very good points indeed.  I really like your pipe analogy; this is one of the issues I was alluding to when I stated that corporate users would not be moving to Linux any time soon.  </p>
<p>My point in quoting the revenue figures from Microsoft &amp; Apple was to illustrate that this is still a highly differentiated market.  So much so, that the primary players are making billions even while competing against a product that is being given away.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMc</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnMc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You noted -- &quot;If the operating system market was commoditized, then by definition cost would be the primary point of competition.  As we can see, more than a few consumers and businesses chose costly, proprietary operating systems from Microsoft and Apple over free Linux alternatives.  I donâ€™t believe that a stronger argument need be made against the thought that the operating system is commoditized.&quot;

Nathan, you forgot a core design criteria methodology; Application to be run --&gt; OS required to run them --&gt; OS purchased. People don&#039;t buy pipes for pipe, they buy pipes to have water. The same can be said for OS&#039;s. People buy the OS so that they can run applications like MS Office and Quicken on it. 

Don&#039;t be fooled by the numbers you quote. Back out 5% for inflation. Then back out a 17% premium for the cost of Vista over the previous OS, XP. If anything Vista is flat. What you really want to quote is unit sales not revenue. Nor does $$ sales growth have a correlation with commodization unless you know what is the unit sales cost for an OEM license.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You noted &#8212; &#8220;If the operating system market was commoditized, then by definition cost would be the primary point of competition.  As we can see, more than a few consumers and businesses chose costly, proprietary operating systems from Microsoft and Apple over free Linux alternatives.  I donâ€™t believe that a stronger argument need be made against the thought that the operating system is commoditized.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nathan, you forgot a core design criteria methodology; Application to be run &#8211;&gt; OS required to run them &#8211;&gt; OS purchased. People don&#8217;t buy pipes for pipe, they buy pipes to have water. The same can be said for OS&#8217;s. People buy the OS so that they can run applications like MS Office and Quicken on it. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be fooled by the numbers you quote. Back out 5% for inflation. Then back out a 17% premium for the cost of Vista over the previous OS, XP. If anything Vista is flat. What you really want to quote is unit sales not revenue. Nor does $$ sales growth have a correlation with commodization unless you know what is the unit sales cost for an OEM license.</p>
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		<title>By: commodization?</title>
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		<dc:creator>commodization?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought commoditization was the process whereby product become undifferentiated. I think its fair to say that operating systems are, in some ways,becoming less different from one another. Here goes econ 101:
 As Operating systems becomes more mature, the features that differentiate the operatiting systems will become less important. This is commoditization, when the products become interchangeable. The price will become zero because the marginal cost of software is zero. The cost is unrelated to commoditization. These are two separate issues. For example commodities can be expensive...like oil, or differentiated products can be cheap....coke and pepsi are cheap.     Keep trying though you will get it someday.


Marginal cost of software is ZERO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought commoditization was the process whereby product become undifferentiated. I think its fair to say that operating systems are, in some ways,becoming less different from one another. Here goes econ 101:<br />
 As Operating systems becomes more mature, the features that differentiate the operatiting systems will become less important. This is commoditization, when the products become interchangeable. The price will become zero because the marginal cost of software is zero. The cost is unrelated to commoditization. These are two separate issues. For example commodities can be expensive&#8230;like oil, or differentiated products can be cheap&#8230;.coke and pepsi are cheap.     Keep trying though you will get it someday.</p>
<p>Marginal cost of software is ZERO</p>
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